Gilmour is a CBE and Waters is not?

[Schizoid Man]

That's a joke, right?

[Benjamin]

David Gilmour was awarded a CBE (Commander of the British Empire),
which is the third ranking class in the Most Excellent Order of the
British Empire established by George V in 1917.

CBE is below the two Knight classes, but above Member (MBE) and Officer
(OBE.)

I think he was awarded it for his charity work. Certainly the CBE came
just a few months after sold his house and gave the proceeds to Crisis.

[DrBukkake]

people who kill foxes can't become CBE's. period.

[David Bourke]

Gilmour is a CBE and Waters is not?
That's a joke, right?

It's Sir Mick, but not Sir Keef.
Roger Daltrey has a CBE, but Pete Townshend doesn't .*
Brian May has a CBE, but Roger Taylor doesn't.

The British PM is a star-struck brown-noser who doesn't
see beyond the frontman.

* Maybe one or two other reasons for that.


db

[Craiglg]

In the wide public view of popular music, Roger Waters dropped out of sight
when he left PF. We know some of his strongest work has been since then
but it's really only been "fan music". Gilmour on the other hand is
percieved as being PF for 35 odd years - and as mentioned already has
given a lot of time and money (no puns intended)to charity.

[Benjamin]

For some who receive honours its about doing stuff for charity and
going to posh dos, keeping your nose clean. Being in with the right
crowd, to an extent.

The Floyds are all posh sounding English middle class gents, so they
all can do that, but David Gilmour probably does more of it.

I don't begrudge him the honour at all, his charity work is laudable.
But many Brits don't take the Honours system too seriously, and I doubt
very much Gilmour takes it very seriously either.

[Governor Swill]

Post by Benjamin
don't begrudge him the honour at all, his charity work is laudable.
But many Brits don't take the Honours system too seriously, and I doubt
very much Gilmour takes it very seriously either.

Must be nice to add to the family history, especially when children
and grandchildren are trying to marry up out of the middle class.

Bedwarmer

[Benjamin]

In the UK many aspire to be middle class, even though everyone takes
the piss out of the middle class, and no one is precisely sure what it
actually is.

In the USA, the middle class means something a bit different.

[Governor Swill]

Post by Benjamin
In the UK many aspire to be middle class, even though everyone takes
the piss out of the middle class, and no one is precisely sure what it
actually is.
In the USA, the middle class means something a bit different.

True. Class is harder to define than income. I've met some pretty
low class yahoos who were making good money.

Bedwarmer

[j***@cloudparty.com]

It's also pretty rare that it would be offered to someone who might
turn it down. And I think everyone suspects RW might jsut do that,
indeed.

--Jim

[Schizoid Man]

Post by j***@cloudparty.com
It's also pretty rare that it would be offered to someone who might
turn it down. And I think everyone suspects RW might jsut do that,
indeed.

He won't be the first. John Cleese and David Bowie are two that come to
mind that did refuse the (dubious) honour.

[indifference]

Post by Craiglg
In the wide public view of popular music, Roger Waters dropped out of sight
when he left PF. We know some of his strongest work has been since then
but it's really only been "fan music". Gilmour on the other hand is
percieved as being PF for 35 odd years - and as mentioned already has
given a lot of time and money (no puns intended)to charity.

Roger has been going downhill since Music From 'The Body'. I my humble O of
course.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:36:48 -0700, "indifference"

Post by indifference
Roger has been going downhill since Music From 'The Body'.

Roger has been going downhill since TW certainly, and by some tastes,
since WYWH.

Bedwarmer

[Schizoid Man]

Post by Governor Swill
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:36:48 -0700, "indifference"

Post by indifference
Roger has been going downhill since Music From 'The Body'.

Roger has been going downhill since TW certainly, and by some tastes,
since WYWH.

What? Animals was a classic, an absolute classic.

[Governor Swill]

Post by Schizoid Man

Post by Governor Swill
Roger has been going downhill since TW certainly, and by some tastes,
since WYWH.

What? Animals was a classic, an absolute classic.

Animals lacks the scope of TW, the subtlety of WYWH and the delicate
balance of DSOM. It's pretty much PF trying their hand at some
straight ahead rock and IMO, works pretty well, Sheep being one of my
top five pf tunes. That said, it's only weakness is in comparison.
How do you top the two albums that came before?

Bedwarmer

[Schizoid Man]

Post by Governor Swill

Post by Schizoid Man

Post by Governor Swill
Roger has been going downhill since TW certainly, and by some tastes,
since WYWH.

What? Animals was a classic, an absolute classic.

Animals lacks the scope of TW, the subtlety of WYWH and the delicate
balance of DSOM. It's pretty much PF trying their hand at some
straight ahead rock and IMO, works pretty well, Sheep being one of my
top five pf tunes. That said, it's only weakness is in comparison.
How do you top the two albums that came before?

That's the funny bit. DSotM was great, WYWH even better but Animals was
in a class by itself. Searing cynicism, dark metaphors and scorching
guitars. A true rock album.

[AC]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:47:56 -0700,

Post by Schizoid Man

Post by Governor Swill

Post by Schizoid Man

Post by Governor Swill
Roger has been going downhill since TW certainly, and by some tastes,
since WYWH.

What? Animals was a classic, an absolute classic.

Animals lacks the scope of TW, the subtlety of WYWH and the delicate
balance of DSOM. It's pretty much PF trying their hand at some
straight ahead rock and IMO, works pretty well, Sheep being one of my
top five pf tunes. That said, it's only weakness is in comparison.
How do you top the two albums that came before?

That's the funny bit. DSotM was great, WYWH even better but Animals was
in a class by itself. Searing cynicism, dark metaphors and scorching
guitars. A true rock album.

I agree completely. I think it was at that moment that Waters was at the
very top of his game. The writing is incredible.

[Governor Swill]

Post by AC
I agree completely. I think it was at that moment that Waters was at the
very top of his game. The writing is incredible.

His best vocals too. Finally wore his voice out doing the Eugene
Screech and The Pig Squeal all those years.

Bedwarmer

[oldpink]

Post by Governor Swill

Post by AC
I agree completely. I think it was at that moment that Waters was at the
very top of his game. The writing is incredible.

His best vocals too. Finally wore his voice out doing the Eugene
Screech and The Pig Squeal all those years.

FWIW, I think Roger's main problem is that he has failed (most of the
time, as it worked on "Pigs") miserably when he tried to sing out of his
register up in the higher tenor area that Dave inhabited.
He's actually a natural baritone/bass, and he sounds just fine when he
sings in that range, as on ABitWII, CN, "Pigs on the Wing," and (laugh
if you must) "San Tropez."

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by oldpink

Post by Governor Swill

Post by AC
I agree completely. I think it was at that moment that Waters was at the
very top of his game. The writing is incredible.

His best vocals too. Finally wore his voice out doing the Eugene
Screech and The Pig Squeal all those years.

FWIW, I think Roger's main problem is that he has failed (most of the
time, as it worked on "Pigs") miserably when he tried to sing out of his
register up in the higher tenor area that Dave inhabited.
He's actually a natural baritone/bass, and he sounds just fine when he
sings in that range, as on ABitWII, CN, "Pigs on the Wing," and (laugh
if you must) "San Tropez."

Pigs on the Wing is pretty high up there for him.

[oldpink]

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Governor Swill

Post by AC
I agree completely. I think it was at that moment that Waters was at the
very top of his game. The writing is incredible.

His best vocals too. Finally wore his voice out doing the Eugene
Screech and The Pig Squeal all those years.

FWIW, I think Roger's main problem is that he has failed (most of the
time, as it worked on "Pigs") miserably when he tried to sing out of his
register up in the higher tenor area that Dave inhabited.
He's actually a natural baritone/bass, and he sounds just fine when he
sings in that range, as on ABitWII, CN, "Pigs on the Wing," and (laugh
if you must) "San Tropez."

Pigs on the Wing is pretty high up there for him.

True, but there is one important element here, that being that he sings
it very softly, probably the softest vocals he has recorded the entire
time he was with the band.

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by oldpink

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Governor Swill

Post by AC
I agree completely. I think it was at that moment that Waters was at the
very top of his game. The writing is incredible.

His best vocals too. Finally wore his voice out doing the Eugene
Screech and The Pig Squeal all those years.

FWIW, I think Roger's main problem is that he has failed (most of the
time, as it worked on "Pigs") miserably when he tried to sing out of his
register up in the higher tenor area that Dave inhabited.
He's actually a natural baritone/bass, and he sounds just fine when he
sings in that range, as on ABitWII, CN, "Pigs on the Wing," and (laugh
if you must) "San Tropez."

Pigs on the Wing is pretty high up there for him.

True, but there is one important element here, that being that he sings
it very softly, probably the softest vocals he has recorded the entire
time he was with the band.

'If' is softer.

[oldpink]

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Governor Swill

Post by AC
I agree completely. I think it was at that moment that Waters was at the
very top of his game. The writing is incredible.

His best vocals too. Finally wore his voice out doing the Eugene
Screech and The Pig Squeal all those years.

FWIW, I think Roger's main problem is that he has failed (most of the
time, as it worked on "Pigs") miserably when he tried to sing out of his
register up in the higher tenor area that Dave inhabited.
He's actually a natural baritone/bass, and he sounds just fine when he
sings in that range, as on ABitWII, CN, "Pigs on the Wing," and (laugh
if you must) "San Tropez."

Pigs on the Wing is pretty high up there for him.

True, but there is one important element here, that being that he sings
it very softly, probably the softest vocals he has recorded the entire
time he was with the band.

'If' is softer.

Excellent point.
Again, he sounds pretty good on that track, too.
It looks as if vocal histrionics are not really what Roger is cut out to do.

[Paul in Australia]

Post by oldpink

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Governor Swill
His best vocals too. Finally wore his voice out doing the Eugene
Screech and The Pig Squeal all those years.

FWIW, I think Roger's main problem is that he has failed (most of the
time, as it worked on "Pigs") miserably when he tried to sing out of his
register up in the higher tenor area that Dave inhabited.
He's actually a natural baritone/bass, and he sounds just fine when he
sings in that range, as on ABitWII, CN, "Pigs on the Wing," and (laugh
if you must) "San Tropez."

Pigs on the Wing is pretty high up there for him.

True, but there is one important element here, that being that he sings
it very softly, probably the softest vocals he has recorded the entire
time he was with the band.

'If' is softer.

Excellent point.
Again, he sounds pretty good on that track, too.
It looks as if vocal histrionics are not really what Roger is cut out to do.

I Love Roger's voice so much more than dave's.

"Don't tell me there's no hope at all-ll-ll!...."
"I recogniiiiiii-iiiii-iiiize!"
"...too much rope and they'll fuck it up"
"Maggie what did we do?"

Dave can't reach those notes at all. At least Roger can even if it sounds
like he's shiting a brick at the same time. It send chils up and down me
spine it does.

Roger sounds best when he's singing outside of dave's range!

Dunno what a CBE is but if davy's one Roger probably doesn't want to be one.

Paul

[Hugh Jorgen]

I love Floyd and Waters solo, but let's be honest, since KAOS Rog voice
sounds like 10,000 assholes farting in unison...

Post by Paul in Australia

Post by oldpink

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Governor Swill
His best vocals too. Finally wore his voice out doing the Eugene
Screech and The Pig Squeal all those years.

FWIW, I think Roger's main problem is that he has failed (most of the
time, as it worked on "Pigs") miserably when he tried to sing out of

his

Post by oldpink

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by oldpink
register up in the higher tenor area that Dave inhabited.
He's actually a natural baritone/bass, and he sounds just fine when he
sings in that range, as on ABitWII, CN, "Pigs on the Wing," and (laugh
if you must) "San Tropez."

Pigs on the Wing is pretty high up there for him.

True, but there is one important element here, that being that he sings
it very softly, probably the softest vocals he has recorded the entire
time he was with the band.

'If' is softer.

Excellent point.
Again, he sounds pretty good on that track, too.
It looks as if vocal histrionics are not really what Roger is cut out to

do.
I Love Roger's voice so much more than dave's.
"Don't tell me there's no hope at all-ll-ll!...."
"I recogniiiiiii-iiiii-iiiize!"
"...too much rope and they'll fuck it up"
"Maggie what did we do?"
Dave can't reach those notes at all. At least Roger can even if it sounds
like he's shiting a brick at the same time. It send chils up and down me
spine it does.
Roger sounds best when he's singing outside of dave's range!
Dunno what a CBE is but if davy's one Roger probably doesn't want to be one.
Paul

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:32:41 +1000, "Paul in Australia"

Post by Paul in Australia
I Love Roger's voice so much more than dave's.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Post by Paul in Australia
"Don't tell me there's no hope at all-ll-ll!...."
"I recogniiiiiii-iiiii-iiiize!"
"...too much rope and they'll fuck it up"
"Maggie what did we do?"
Dave can't reach those notes at all. At least Roger can even if it sounds
like he's shiting a brick at the same time. It send chils up and down me
spine it does.

Oh. You were serious. Sorry.

Post by Paul in Australia
Roger sounds best when he's singing outside of dave's range!

Roger hasn't sung a note since the eighties. I have to admit though,
nobody can croak out free form verse like our Rog.

Post by Paul in Australia
Dunno what a CBE is but if davy's one Roger probably doesn't want to be one.

Unless he'd been offered it first.

Bedwarmer

[Hugh Jorgen]

I take back my comment about Rog sounding like 10,000 assholes since KAOS.
He ACTUALLY DID sound pretty good during the 2000 tour...

Post by Governor Swill
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:32:41 +1000, "Paul in Australia"

Post by Paul in Australia
I Love Roger's voice so much more than dave's.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Post by Paul in Australia
"Don't tell me there's no hope at all-ll-ll!...."
"I recogniiiiiii-iiiii-iiiize!"
"...too much rope and they'll fuck it up"
"Maggie what did we do?"
Dave can't reach those notes at all. At least Roger can even if it sounds
like he's shiting a brick at the same time. It send chils up and down me
spine it does.

Oh. You were serious. Sorry.

Post by Paul in Australia
Roger sounds best when he's singing outside of dave's range!

Roger hasn't sung a note since the eighties. I have to admit though,
nobody can croak out free form verse like our Rog.

Post by Paul in Australia
Dunno what a CBE is but if davy's one Roger probably doesn't want to be one.

Unless he'd been offered it first.
Bedwarmer
--
http://www.kiteretsu.jp/on/grow3/index.html
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[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Governor Swill
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:32:41 +1000, "Paul in Australia"

Post by Paul in Australia
I Love Roger's voice so much more than dave's.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Post by Paul in Australia
"Don't tell me there's no hope at all-ll-ll!...."
"I recogniiiiiii-iiiii-iiiize!"
"...too much rope and they'll fuck it up"
"Maggie what did we do?"
Dave can't reach those notes at all. At least Roger can even if it sounds
like he's shiting a brick at the same time. It send chils up and down me
spine it does.

Oh. You were serious. Sorry.

He'll probably deny it was Rog that was horribly off pitch for much of
his Live8 singing, not Dave.

[Doc Chkkn]

Post by Paul in Australia
I Love Roger's voice so much more than dave's.
"Don't tell me there's no hope at all-ll-ll!...."
"I recogniiiiiii-iiiii-iiiize!"
"...too much rope and they'll fuck it up"
"Maggie what did we do?"
Dave can't reach those notes at all. At least Roger can even if it sounds
like he's shiting a brick at the same time. It send chils up and down me
spine it does.
Roger sounds best when he's singing outside of dave's range!

You must be joking. I'd rather listen to Dave sticking within his
vocal range than Roger shrieking through "Tears BUUUUUURN my eyes!"

[Jim]

There'sa lot of early Waters stuff that's quite soft. Set the
Controls, Grandchester Meadows. Even Brain Damage.

--Jim

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Governor Swill

Post by Schizoid Man

Post by Governor Swill
Roger has been going downhill since TW certainly, and by some tastes,
since WYWH.

What? Animals was a classic, an absolute classic.

Animals lacks the scope of TW,

you mean 'length'.

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Governor Swill
Animals lacks the scope of TW,

you mean 'length'.

Hm.. No, I'm sure he wrote 'scope'.

It really is too bad it was written to be performed on a stage. It's
much better that way. Had he not had the visuals in mind, it could
have been a much shorter and more effective single disc.

Bedwarmer

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Governor Swill
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Governor Swill
Animals lacks the scope of TW,

you mean 'length'.

Hm.. No, I'm sure he wrote 'scope'.

but effectively, it's 'length'

Post by Governor Swill
It really is too bad it was written to be performed on a stage. It's
much better that way. Had he not had the visuals in mind, it could
have been a much shorter and more effective single disc.

You mean, 'should'.

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:13:12 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Governor Swill

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Governor Swill
Animals lacks the scope of TW,

you mean 'length'.

Hm.. No, I'm sure he wrote 'scope'.

but effectively, it's 'length'

If you're going to be so picky.

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Governor Swill
It really is too bad it was written to be performed on a stage. It's
much better that way. Had he not had the visuals in mind, it could
have been a much shorter and more effective single disc.

You mean, 'should'.

I think 'could' sounds somewhat hopeful while 'should', in this
context, seems critical.

PF had got the rep for 'concept' albums. The Wall went farther by
telling a particular story. Thus, it had a wider emotional scope.
That said, any good story editor could have not only cut it by a third
at least, the cuts would have vastly improved the work as a whole.
For example, leaving in WSWDN and cutting Vera would have made for a
better build up and flow of the story. A music editor would have
helped too. Many of the tracks seem too long as they tend to
musically wander but not as effectively in earlier work.

I remember though that WYWH didn't sell as well as DSOM, and Animals
didn't sell as well as WYWH. Perhaps a motivation to increase his
audience caused Roger to reach out with his last, large chunk of
greatness and create something *too* big.

Bedwarmer

[AC]

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:43:37 -0400,

Post by Governor Swill
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:36:48 -0700, "indifference"

Post by indifference
Roger has been going downhill since Music From 'The Body'.

Roger has been going downhill since TW certainly, and by some tastes,
since WYWH.

Tastes differ, I guess. Waters had a major slump (in my opinion) after TW,
but I really did like ATD. But in between, blech.

[winglesswonder03]

Post by AC
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:43:37 -0400,

Post by Governor Swill
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:36:48 -0700, "indifference"

Post by indifference
Roger has been going downhill since Music From 'The Body'.

Roger has been going downhill since TW certainly, and by some tastes,
since WYWH.

Tastes differ, I guess. Waters had a major slump (in my opinion) after TW,
but I really did like ATD. But in between, blech.
-- Listen to Who Needs Information, Running Shoes and Final Cut. Great

music!!

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:29:22 -0400, "winglesswonder03"

Post by AC

Post by AC
Tastes differ, I guess. Waters had a major slump (in my opinion) after
TW, but I really did like ATD. But in between, blech.

Listen to Who Needs Information, Running Shoes and Final Cut. Great
music!!

While not nearly as lame as his last three or four original songs,
they don't compare with his seventies creations.

Bedwarmer

[j***@cloudparty.com]

You're always talking about him going down, Bedz....

Oh, wait.

--Jim

[Doc Chkkn]

Post by j***@cloudparty.com
You're always talking about him going down, Bedz....
Oh, wait.

With that nose, I think it would be a miracle if Rog was actually able
to go down

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:19:20 +0000 (UTC), Doc Chkkn

Post by Doc Chkkn

Post by j***@cloudparty.com
You're always talking about him going down, Bedz....
Oh, wait.

With that nose, I think it would be a miracle if Rog was actually able
to go down

"Wanna 'nother ride, daddy!"

Bedwarmer